Feb 05, 2012 The nice thing about Binions is that you earn comps at the same rate as slot machines for playing, so you can easily play pass and dont pass, take max evening odds on both, and as soon as a 7 or the point is hit earn comps for every resolved dollar you bet. Download and try the #1 free slots game for 2015 on mobile! Craps Jackpot Slots Dice Wonder Throne Free Slot Machine for Kindle Offline Slots Free Multi Reels Tap No Wifi doesn't need internet best slots games is looking for lucky players! You are invited to join the casino club!
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
Well, it's because more and more of these machines are showing up around the country! They also are showing up where they can't have table games, so if that is the case are they slot machines?
Bubble craps machines are probably considered 'slot machines' just as much as video poker machines are. If the bets are handled electronically and no staffers (dealers/croupiers) are needed, then it is probably considered a 'gaming device' just like a slot machine. Is there a reason you need to know if the specific term 'slot machine' applies to them?
One exception I can think of to 'they're showing up where they can't have table games': California. Casinos that were opened or had their compacts renegotiated (e.g. to add more machines) after 2010 have a stipulation saying that no games that use 'physical dice' are allowed. While I have a feeling this was targeting the versions of craps that, while cards determine the actual numbers, dice are used to determine which cards are drawn, it almost certainly applies to bubble craps as well.
Bubble craps machines are probably considered 'slot machines' just as much as video poker machines are. If the bets are handled electronically and no staffers (dealers/croupiers) are needed, then it is probably considered a 'gaming device' just like a slot machine. Is there a reason you need to know if the specific term 'slot machine' applies to them?
One exception I can think of to 'they're showing up where they can't have table games': California. Casinos that were opened or had their compacts renegotiated (e.g. to add more machines) after 2010 have a stipulation saying that no games that use 'physical dice' are allowed. While I have a feeling this was targeting the versions of craps that, while cards determine the actual numbers, dice are used to determine which cards are drawn, it almost certainly applies to bubble craps as well.
Yes, there is a reason and it goes like this, I don't like information that can't be proven and is nothing more than fiction that is passed on to anybody that wants to read it! Common sense would tell you that they are slot machines if the casinos can't have table games but now have these bubble craps machines that are now showing up in more casinos!
If they are slot machines do they have to act like real live table games? There may be a big misconception that they have to act like real table games when they don't have to because in fact they are a slot machine! Standing back and looking at the machine are the players thinking that they are playing real craps when they are not?
Yes, there is a reason and it goes like this, I don't like information that can't be proven and is nothing more than fiction that is passed on to anybody that wants to read it! Common sense would tell you that they are slot machines if the casinos can't have table games but now have these bubble craps machines that are now showing up in more casinos!
If they are slot machines do they have to act like real live table games? There may be a big misconception that they have to act like real table games when they don't have to because in fact they are a slot machine! Standing back and looking at the machine are the players thinking that they are playing real craps when they are not?
I hear people saying they are not random, and the machines are using magnets or something like that to cheat(*rolls eyes). If that's the case, it makes me wonder why most casinos don't allow you to earn points(oftentimes they start out allowing you to earn points and then quickly disallow from point earning) on something that is acting like a slot and is basically cheating people? They should be giving away triple points, running promotions and encouraging people to play their craps 'slot'.
If they can gaff bubble craps to not play fair why dont they just make more games like spin poker VP add FPDW, FPJW etc etc and gaff the hell out of them?
Why not gaff all the Video BJ as well?
I'm not sure why any halfway educated gambler would want to play them for any serious money or time in the first place, unless they have an advantage, or they are just messing around wasting time or whatever.
Okay for all of you guys that know everything, are bubble craps machines nothing more than a slot machine?
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
For W2G purposes, they are treated as a slot machine rather than table game.
They are legal in some jurisdictions in which live table games are not because they fall under the definition of an electronic game.
In terms of randomness, for Nevada at least, any game that uses cards, dice, roulette wheel or other physical implement that would have set odds must have the probabilities correspond to what the odds would be. In other words, it could be RNG based, but the programmed probabilities would have to be the same as actual physical dice...at least in Nevada.
You'd do well to examine other states individually.
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
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Philisophical slot machines? Legal slot machines, IRS slot machines, de facto slot machines, ...you want evidence and FACTS?OKAY.... here is the important fact: Professional gamblers, bookmakers, million dollar bettors are reliable.
Casinos are betting that they are indeed slot machines... they are betting millions... so that makes them slot machines. I ain't seen no casinos ripping the machines out due to massive losses. Nor does there seem to be teams of parasites sucking chips from those machines.
After all the preliminary tests casinos put new games to, the final test is to put it on the floor and see what happens. Casinos saw. They are happy.
So its a slot machine even if the lawyers came up with that designation for some legal reason. Its a slot machine.
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
Philisophical slot machines? Legal slot machines, IRS slot machines, de facto slot machines, ...you want evidence and FACTS?OKAY.... here is the important fact: Professional gamblers, bookmakers, million dollar bettors are reliable.
Casinos are betting that they are indeed slot machines... they are betting millions... so that makes them slot machines. I ain't seen no casinos ripping the machines out due to massive losses. Nor does there seem to be teams of parasites sucking chips from those machines.
After all the preliminary tests casinos put new games to, the final test is to put it on the floor and see what happens. Casinos saw. They are happy.
So its a slot machine even if the lawyers came up with that designation for some legal reason. Its a slot machine.I think we need to get to the real reason the question is being asked.
There are people that think if they are a slot they can be programmed to do funny things and hold whatever the casino sets them to hold. I'm not buying it, at least not in most US jurisdictions.
I suppose it's possible the machine has an RNG in it that picks what the next dice roll is going to be, by using magnets or some such nonsense. But if that somehow was the case, each number on each die would have to be equally likely to show up. So, in other words, this would have no effect on the player (unless he was trying to DI the craps machine, lol).
Is that what you're getting at, Superrick, you trying to DI the craps machines?
i've seen them in the bellagio and MGM. both a 3x max odds.
do u get points playing them?
what other casinos have them, and what odds?
I hear its spreading all over the south strip but I didn't see any other casinos specifically which have it. I've heard rumors of it being in Riviera but I cannot confirm this myself.
Yes, there is a reason and it goes like this, I don't like information that can't be proven and is nothing more than fiction that is passed on to anybody that wants to read it! Common sense would tell you that they are slot machines if the casinos can't have table games but now have these bubble craps machines that are now showing up in more casinos!
If they are slot machines do they have to act like real live table games? There may be a big misconception that they have to act like real table games when they don't have to because in fact they are a slot machine! Standing back and looking at the machine are the players thinking that they are playing real craps when they are not?
I hear people saying they are not random, and the machines are using magnets or something like that to cheat(*rolls eyes). If that's the case, it makes me wonder why most casinos don't allow you to earn points(oftentimes they start out allowing you to earn points and then quickly disallow from point earning) on something that is acting like a slot and is basically cheating people? They should be giving away triple points, running promotions and encouraging people to play their craps 'slot'.
If they can gaff bubble craps to not play fair why dont they just make more games like spin poker VP add FPDW, FPJW etc etc and gaff the hell out of them?
Why not gaff all the Video BJ as well?
I'm not sure why any halfway educated gambler would want to play them for any serious money or time in the first place, unless they have an advantage, or they are just messing around wasting time or whatever.
Okay for all of you guys that know everything, are bubble craps machines nothing more than a slot machine?
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
For W2G purposes, they are treated as a slot machine rather than table game.
They are legal in some jurisdictions in which live table games are not because they fall under the definition of an electronic game.
In terms of randomness, for Nevada at least, any game that uses cards, dice, roulette wheel or other physical implement that would have set odds must have the probabilities correspond to what the odds would be. In other words, it could be RNG based, but the programmed probabilities would have to be the same as actual physical dice...at least in Nevada.
You'd do well to examine other states individually.
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
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Philisophical slot machines? Legal slot machines, IRS slot machines, de facto slot machines, ...you want evidence and FACTS?OKAY.... here is the important fact: Professional gamblers, bookmakers, million dollar bettors are reliable.
Casinos are betting that they are indeed slot machines... they are betting millions... so that makes them slot machines. I ain't seen no casinos ripping the machines out due to massive losses. Nor does there seem to be teams of parasites sucking chips from those machines.
After all the preliminary tests casinos put new games to, the final test is to put it on the floor and see what happens. Casinos saw. They are happy.
So its a slot machine even if the lawyers came up with that designation for some legal reason. Its a slot machine.
Can you back up what you are writing with facts?
Philisophical slot machines? Legal slot machines, IRS slot machines, de facto slot machines, ...you want evidence and FACTS?OKAY.... here is the important fact: Professional gamblers, bookmakers, million dollar bettors are reliable.
Casinos are betting that they are indeed slot machines... they are betting millions... so that makes them slot machines. I ain't seen no casinos ripping the machines out due to massive losses. Nor does there seem to be teams of parasites sucking chips from those machines.
After all the preliminary tests casinos put new games to, the final test is to put it on the floor and see what happens. Casinos saw. They are happy.
So its a slot machine even if the lawyers came up with that designation for some legal reason. Its a slot machine.I think we need to get to the real reason the question is being asked.
There are people that think if they are a slot they can be programmed to do funny things and hold whatever the casino sets them to hold. I'm not buying it, at least not in most US jurisdictions.
I suppose it's possible the machine has an RNG in it that picks what the next dice roll is going to be, by using magnets or some such nonsense. But if that somehow was the case, each number on each die would have to be equally likely to show up. So, in other words, this would have no effect on the player (unless he was trying to DI the craps machine, lol).
Is that what you're getting at, Superrick, you trying to DI the craps machines?
i've seen them in the bellagio and MGM. both a 3x max odds.
do u get points playing them?
what other casinos have them, and what odds?
I hear its spreading all over the south strip but I didn't see any other casinos specifically which have it. I've heard rumors of it being in Riviera but I cannot confirm this myself.
Most odds I saw was 2 and 3X.
I did not play STW Craps at all the strip casinos.
Gold Strike in Jean was the only one that I saw and used a players card at 2X.
This thread has some more on Shoot to Win Craps.
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FWIW I had a blast playing these machines during my most recent trip and the trip before when I first saw it at NYNY. With a full table and people cheering, it can feel almost like a live action craps table... almost. At 3 AM by yourself with no one else around, it doesn't quite give the same rush.
so nyny is also 3x odds?
how about buying thr 4+10. do they take the 5% vig AFTER you win (1.67%?) or before (6.67%)?
so nyny is also 3x odds?
how about buying thr 4+10. do they take the 5% vig AFTER you win (1.67%?) or before (6.67%)?
The ones I played ALL took the vig for all buys and lays after a win. NYNY and Gold Strike
I will be in Vegas in 2 weeks.
Guess it is time to really study the rules at every location.
I also noticed that if the max bet was $500, that was it on the Lay bets. NO Laying the 4 for $1,000.
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NYNY has it for 3x odds as well. The Palms has either $2 or $3 min with I believe 10x odds and I know Binions has one in the back which is a $1 min but only 2x odds. The nice thing about Binions is that you earn comps at the same rate as slot machines for playing, so you can easily play pass and dont pass, take max evening odds on both, and as soon as a 7 or the point is hit earn comps for every resolved dollar you bet. I saw a guy racking up comp points this way when I was there last week and as soon as I switched to try to earn some points myself, the come out roll came up 12 twice in 4 come outs losing me my pass line and pushing the dont, making it very frustrating.
I hear its spreading all over the south strip but I didn't see any other casinos specifically which have it. I've heard rumors of it being in Riviera but I cannot confirm this myself.
When I played at Binions it did not give me any points at all a few weeks ago, even for line bets. They are also at Riv, but no points anymore. Station will give you points on the flat bets and other wagers, but nothing on the odds. Since the cashback is .3%, you are not going to be able to middle them with points.
$1 min, 5x odds!
but $25max place bets and $250 max combined bets on the table :(
i racked up like 3000 points. so how much is that worth if i cash it in?
and how much is it worth if i use it for their buffet?
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Also, does the bellagio give points for their Bubble craps machine?